on Jan. 16th, 2013 - 6:56pm
Thank you, Admin. I personally have nothing to hide nor have any shame in usuing one username. It's especially nice to share this site with others not in need of psychiatric counseling or obviously on some kind of mind-altering substances, people such as Jk, Realist,(not Happy) or Soapboxmom, among others who have posted in the past.
$150-$180 million to FINISH a theme park or $150-$180 million to START one. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure which would be the more reasonable expectation of the two. If the Grand Texas Theme Park promoters had come along, oh, say about 6 1/2 yrs. ago, we would have seen a prime example of what built this country UP in the first place, competition amongst businesses WITHOUT government or tax-payer assistance. Unfortunately for the taxpaying citizens of EMC, this didn't happen.
Yes, Mr. Happy and Mr. Pie, or whatever username pops into your mind at the time or on your whim, I post on here for a VERY personal reason, I love my country and care about taxpayers money and how it's spent, unlike someone who just recently posted. No, I don't live in EMC, doesn't matter. I read about a prime example of the same mindset displayed by this poster just this morning by a politician in Washington, the name has escaped me for the moment, that spent $220,000 of tax-payer money on a bathroom remodel. Not a house...a BATHROOM!!! This is the same sick, disgusting, self-serving, greedy mindset that is flushing our once-great country down the toilet.
I, for one, would love to see a theme park here in this area. In fact, when I first met Frank McCrady and talked to him about EarthQuest over 3 yrs ago, I was pretty pumped up about it myself. What has transpired with EarthQuest and the irresponsible spending of taxpayers money associated with it by even more irresponsible people motivated by greed is what angered a lot more people than myself.
The EarthQuest Don Lessum envisioned was a do-able project, one derailed by greed and incompetence by others and one that should have been started 4 yrs. ago. Let's give Grand Texas Theme Park a few tax-incentives and let their developer's bulldozers roll!!!
Contour needing $150 million to get started and that would build half a theme park......what a joke... How's the weather in Vegas?
Go EarthQuest on Jan. 14th, 2013 - 12:41pm
The negative poster that keeps coming back with the same bleak, vengeful message under different names needs to get a life. Don't they have special websites for people who get satisfaction from watching human suffering.
That would not be this website.
Admin on Jan. 14th, 2013 - 12:31pm
Please use a consist username when posting, so we can follow who is saying what. Thanks!
The Happy Realist on Jan. 14th, 2013 - 11:44am
This is a theme park website not a teabagger website. I come here to discuss theme parks not cry about where your taxes go or get revenge on former park developers. No one will be crying about taxes if EarthQuest or Grand Texas get built and no one will care who built it either.
As someone said, you can really tell who around here are filled with negativity and prefer to spread misery over such a happy thing as a FAMILY FUN PARK (or two), who are only here to out to settle some score with former developers for some silly personal SELFISH reasons
those who are happy just watching things PROGRESS and remain DELIGHTED to see the chances improve of the Houston metro finally building a theme park whether it be EarthQuest, Grand Texas or HOPEFULLY BOTH!
Jk on Jan. 14th, 2013 - 11:15am
<< I don't care about your tax dollars.
Well, that just about sums it up nicely.
SmARTER than EVERYONE on Jan. 14th, 2013 - 11:05am
Sounds like the odds of East Montgomery County getting a theme park just DOUBLED!
New Caney could be the next ORLANDO. Texas' own version of WALT DISNEY WORLD!!!
I can already hear the groans coming from under the TROLL bridge. But this is FANTASTIC news!
House of Pies on Jan. 14th, 2013 - 11:01am
Pantherdad - I don't know what you want or why you want it. Selfish interest. Whatever.
But you can believe I'm only interested in ONE thing. I want the Houston area to get a big theme park. Doesn't have to be EarthQuest, doesn't have to be in New Caney. I love Houston and thing a theme park will make it a better place to live.
I don't care about your tax dollars. I don't care some people get rich or others lose money. All I care about is a theme park being built.
I have only heard encouraging thing about the EarthQuest. I think when you put the pieces of this puzzle together and listen to the comments of the Developers and the EMCID it is CLEAR that they are NOT GIVING UP on EARTHQUEST so NEITHER am I.
It makes no difference if YOU are encouraged or NOT. I read a lot of opinions on this site that keep saying the project is dead or will never happen - I think there is room for a few people who are ENCOURAGED by the recent actions of Chris Brown, Contour and the EMCID to also voice an opinion. If you don't like it you can go jump in the lake and CONTINUE eating your humble pie.
Jk on Jan. 14th, 2013 - 10:52am
Hahaha -- it gets more and more ludicrous every year!!
SMARTER than EVERYONE on Jan. 14th, 2013 - 10:49am
on Jan. 13th, 2013 - 11:36am
$500,000,OOO...$250,000,000...$150,000,000...???,???,??? What's next?
Someone must think I'm a doorknob because numerous attempts have been made to shine me (aka pantherdadx2) on Jan. 13th, 2013 - 11:07am
plethora of Pro park posts.....lol
Moron, a.k.a. the real Walt Disney, a.k.a. Realist, and others on Jan. 12th, 2013 - 1:10am
After the plethora of Pro park posts...
I fell like I am being swayed to have a positive opinion in case I get called in for Jury Duty.
pantherdadx2 on Jan. 10th, 2013 - 9:22pm
I'm going to have to eat a little humble pie and retract my last statement. The person writing basically the same message using different usernames and essentially thumbing his nose at those willing to stand up for the taxpayers of EMC would not be the only one comforted and encouraged by the latest current events. Those being investigated by state and federal agencies in the fiasco that EarthQuest has become, namely those serving (the EMCID) and those greedily eating every slice of pie baked by the trusting citizens of EMC would also be comforted by these current events. Every good criminal defense attourney, especially Rusty Hardin, will tell you, as long as there is a positive light shining on this mess, the better off those involved will be.
"Dismal, hopeless daily existence"? This sounds like the exact same verbage used by a certain economic developer who threatened to sue anyone who had an opinion on how taxpayers money was spent, and the very same person who had his greedy fingers in every pie served by Frank McCrady and the old guard at the EMCID. Who's crying now? It certainly isn't me. I would suspect it's the person who HAD his fingers knuckle-deep in those pies and had those fingers hastily removed by certain people who care more about the welfare of the people rather than the welfare of a few. I take that back, I'm crying a river whilst playing a tune on the worlds smallest violin.
I'll have to agree with one thing you did say in your last post, though, truth hurts. You said "people outside your small(circle of REALITY)". YOU posted it.....AND I COULD'NT AGREE MORE
TRUTH HURTS on Jan. 9th, 2013 - 5:57pm
As long as Chris Brown and the EMCID is comforted by the idea that EarthQuest is a viable project, that's all that counts at this time. And by every resource available, there can be no doubt that they ARE.
My encouragement by the statements coming out of the mouths of the ACTUAL developers and your bleak, narrow perspective that is coming from what I suspect is a dismal, hopeless daily existence means very little to anything regarding this project.
It's all just an opinion and there's no need to get your pantie in a wad over it. You wanna cry about it, go ahead and cry. But I think you underestimate the current momentum and motivation that many people outside your small circle of reality actually have for this project.
Really now, if you believe there is only one person that is encouraged by the latest news from Chris Brown and the EMCID, then YOU are even more out of touch will reality than I thought. But that's o.k. You are not hurting anyone and I suppose in a way you are actually helping to keep simple-minded people from getting their hopes too high - not that I think there is anything constructive about spreading such negativity when you are basing it on conditions that surrounded this project a year ago, and not today.
I guess some people have a harder time keeping up with current events than others.
SomepeopleTHINKthey'resmarterthaneveryoneandatthesametimethinkeveryoneelseisdumbasadoorknob(akapantherdadx2) on Jan. 9th, 2013 - 8:35am
Why would anyone want to waste their time and go back and re-read all the previous comments here on this site? Two - thirds of the comments were written by the same person, and it does'nt take a rocket scientist to figure out who it is. The only person being comforted and encouraged is himself.
on Jan. 8th, 2013 - 11:38am
That's where you show just how much you don't know what you're talking about.
They are light years ahead of where they were this time last year. This time last year this project was hanging on by a thread. As we now know, the project was heading IN to litigation, bankruptcy court, there were LOTS of unanswered questions, a pending election of a new EMCID board, which could have stopped this project in it's track, no direction, no one was guiding it, no one was taking any real responsibility for it's future.
As of today, ALL THAT HAS CHANGED. Thanks to Chris Brown and Contour and the CONTINUED support of the EMCID, the project is more focused. The are STILL in pursuit of financiers, but now that Contour has taken control of the project the chances of finding financial backing has GREATLY improved. ESPECIALLY since they have stated that ground breaking can begin will as little as $150 million.
As of today, we are getting news that Contour is now investing money into the project NOT the EMCID. Contour is counting on this being a money maker for their company and they are well respected within the theme park community. Contour WOULD NOT BE INVESTING in EQ if they did not believe they could put it off. Perhaps they have not convinced JK or Soapboxmom at this point, but that hardly matters in the grand scope of things.
Best news of all:
Securing $150 million as opposed to securing $500 million gives this project a MUCH greater chance of being built.
The FACT that so many people are still trying like hell to get this project built despite the many, many setbacks (MAINLY AN UNSTABLE ECONOMY) gives this project a VERY GOOD CHANCE of being built. I'd say 98%. Hey! that's as reasonable as JK's math that he pulled out of his butt.
Think about what this project has overcome in 6 years to get us to the point where people like JK, Soapboxmom, ME and everyone else are STILL talking about it. Even those of you who have given up on this project, if you are STILL coming back to this website - you are proof that this project is STILL alive. You wouldn't be here if you thought there was no chance.
It is not reasonable to say that just because the project has not yet secured financing that it never will. Especially, when you consider the state of the economy, which is different now, the political landscape, which is different now, the people who are in control of the project, which is different now, and the money it will take to get the project off the ground, which is different.
I guess the main problem people seem to have around here is that the conditions, the people and even the entire world around the EarthQuest project is changing faster than they have the ability to keep up. Luckily, professionals and likely investors don't have that problem.
Jk on Jan. 7th, 2013 - 3:03pm
It's all about the money. No one has come up with any money of significance for this project. Ever.
The hard part is not building or planning a park like this, it's actually finding the money and financing for it. The hard part is not done, and is no closer to being done today, than it was seven years ago.
There's no harm (if it doesn't cost any more tax dollars) for certain people to keep searching for the money. But the odds of finding that money are incredibly slim. I'd say less than 2%.
Smarter than everyone on Jan. 7th, 2013 - 2:29pm
What can be built for $150 million? I'm happy to say a lot!
Breaking ground is THE big challenge. This project can break ground for $150 million. $500 million gets you the whole kit and caboodle, you know, a resort with a hotel, a water park, a convention center, a museum, an activities center and a major world class theme park. $150 million gets you part of it, perhaps only half a theme park, BUT it also gives you momentum. It also builds the infrastructure, allows the part that is built to help supply funds to get the rest of it built.
The hard part is getting this started, but once the ball is rolling, it is a completely different game. Building in phases at a lower upfront cost is a proven successful method for building huge projects. In fact, it is done a lot more often than building one huge project at once. Building in phases is a lot more realistic and increases the chances that the project will actually exist one day.
Knowing that all Contour needs is $150 million to get this project started should be a GREAT comfort to anyone who WANTS to see the project built and a GREAT source of dread for anyone who wants to see this project fail for whatever selfish reason.
Now go back and re-read all the comments and tell me who looks comforted and encouraged by the latest news regarding EarthQuest and tell me who look filled with fear and dread?
BIGGER DOSE of REALITY on Jan. 7th, 2013 - 1:15pm
1. Dino Don had his name associated with EQ for 5 years and it got them NOWHERE. What they have needed from day 1 was an experienced theme park developer and an improved economy. They have that now.
2. Pahrump is not Houston. There is a market in the 5th largest metro in the country that is not served by a theme park. Some one horse town in the middle of the dessert and just a stone's throw away from Las Vegas (filled with a TON of competition for tourist) has a different set of perimeters guiding its development. Furthermore, Don Holbrook is no longer associated with the project. Investors would know this and past associations would not stop an investor IF they think there is MONEY to be made. Contour's updated report indicates that there IS a market for THIS project in HOUSTON.
3. The fact that steps are spelled out to repay for costs already accumulated for the project will only attract HONEST investors who are not interested in ripping off the taxpayers. Believe it or not, there are still honest investors out there who will only enter an agreement if ALL the monies are accounted for. There is no mystery or hidden cost to this project when it comes to repaying the county. So an investment team would have no fear of past retributions, making this an ATTRACTIVE investment.
4. A themepark like EQ will be attracting 90% of it's customers from Greater Houston. In other words, people who will have no use for staying at a hotel. Just like Six Flags over Texas, the VAST majority of visitors will drive no further away than an hour. After the project breaks ground, even if all they build in phase 1 is half the park, people will come. And as they come from farther away and the market demands hotels, they will no doubt be built. Many theme parks were built without many hotels in the area at first, but as the park became more successful, hotels and businesses followed. EQ will be following a successful proven strategy if they build in phases.
5. Don Allen Holbrook is a threat to no one. He has gotten under the crawl of a few vindictive, strange people who exist on the internet but he has little impact on this project as it moves forward. His past association with EQ will not influence the profitability of this resort. EQ will stand or fail on it's own merits. If an investor determines that the resort will be profitable, they will invest. Holbrook does not control this project.
6. Again, it comes down to supply and demand. If an investor determines that being the only major theme park in an area that has over 6 million people living less than an hour away will make a profit (just like they do in all other similar size metros in the U.S.) they will invest. Again, past litigation will not be the deciding factor moving forward. Only someone with NO business experience would run away from a project if they determine that a future PROFIT can be made.
7. ALL businesses are risky. There is no reason to believe that a theme park in Houston would not work. Several studies have been done to support the idea that a theme park like EQ would be profitable. The VAST majority of theme parks built in the U.S. were built without a well known name behind it and were actually acquired by big names AFTER they were build and became established. Who built Magic Mountain in 1971 and Great Adventure? Is wasn't Six Flags. They were both bought AFTERWARDS. There are COUNTLESS other examples. Holiday World, Worlds of Fun, Carowinds, Cedar Point, Frontier City, Kennywood, Elitch Gardens, Geauga Lake, Valley Fair..... this list goes on forever and NONE of the SUCCESSFUL theme parks were originally built by well know corporation.
8. Advertising and promotion is included in the budget, it come with the territory. How much advertising will it take for EVERYONE (all 6 million in the Houston area to know about this park when it opens. Look at the success of Galveston's Pleasure Pier. Look how much FREE advertising came from the local news media. Many parks stay in business EXCLUSIVELY from the SURROUNDING community. I think EQ expects to get visitors from all over Texas and the South, but it will be the Houston metro that keeps them in business. Just like Six Flags is kept in business by the people living in DFW.
9. Duh! You sound like a real amateur. The first rule of Business 101 is that it cost money to run a business and get it off the ground. Anyone who doesn't already know this should not be in business in the first place. But guess what? Investor have already considered this. In fact, so did the researchers of every preliminary report that goes in to a project before it is built. The things you are just now realizing that investors must take into consideration are not even an afterthought to a serious investor.
10. For the 10th time, investors are interested in profits. Many project fail the first time they are started, they get reorganized and then the move forward. This is EXACTLY what is happening to EarthQuest. It is a good idea. Many factors slowed it down. But nothing so far has killed it.
Financial conditions have VASTLY improved in the last year and there is NO WAY Contour would be risking its credibility and it's own money on this project right now if they thought they didn't have a VERY GOOD chance on finding the RIGHT investor.
Soapboxmom on Jan. 6th, 2013 - 1:09pm
What can be built for $150,000,000.00? Perhaps, we pay EMCID, pay the "success fees" to Holbrook and Contour, pay for promotion and advertising, set aside money for operating expenses and all the other necessary expenses, and we will have enough left over for a parking lot, entry plaza, bathrooms and one roller coaster for good measure.